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This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. I think we can close this. --Enhancing999 (talk) 11:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Are .ogg files no longer supported on Commons? I tried to rename an OGG file, and the interface forced an extension change to OGA as part of the move. I've tested the interface response to other attempted moves, and it auto-forces a change to the file's extension from OGG to OGA. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
I finally got around to doing some work on the timed text page logic and some of the points brought forward by people like @RZuo and @Jidanni. I plan to do further work as time permits me. I figured it was a good time to share some of the improvements that have recently been made in TMH.
There is now a File tab on TimedText pages, pointing you back to the corresponding file.
The TimedText tab is now either red or blue depending on if there are any subtitles
Several issues with redirects of either the file and/or the timedtextpage have been clarified with additional warnings
Error/warnings are no longer in the title of the page (we stopped doing this in the rest of MediaWiki quite some time ago, but TT was lagging behind)
Subtitle pages that don't have a corresponding file now show an error on the page.
Adding/deleting subtitle pages now purges the cache on Commons, so that pages using the video should show up with the right list of subtitle languages faster (global usage purging still to follow)
Moving a file should now re-queue the transcoding for the new files (this still needs to be tested on Commons, in case anyone wants to volunteer).
When you open the player on the file page of the file in question, you no longer get the Info button in the toolbar (you are already there).
bvibber has run the script to generate the streaming variants of all files, which means that videos should now work natively on all (supported) iOS devices and no longer require the javascript decoder.
WMF is preparing to move all transcoding into a separate transcoding Kubernetes service. No one should notice anything about this, but it will make it easier in the future to update the software pipeline and add capacity.
There is a lot more work to do, and progress is slow, but I hope that sharing this motivates people to keep working with audio and video. I'm always willing to listen and to file tickets, just know that often it will take me considerable amount of time to get around to more complex issues. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I noticed that all the pics in this category are watermarked. Is it possible to mark them as watermarked by a bot?--Carnby (talk) 17:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
I noticed while browsing the English Wikipedia that this image is the wrong way around: life should be the broadest category and species the narrowest. Looking closer, the image was made to be the wrong way around about two or three days ago. Can someone fix this? 76.212.74.24304:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi everyone! I came across a tool called Glamorgan on Toolforge. If Commons has stats showing how many times articles with images are viewed, why not show these stats on every file page? --iMahesh(talk)03:17, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
@IM3847: Why would we want to? Every additional piece of code added to a page makes it longer to load, and adds more cycles to the servers processing. There are plenty of scripts around that can through up stats for pages for those specifically interested in that aspect. For instance I can say that when I looked at this page its data is 172,899 revisions since 2004-09-07 (+5 minutes), 10,829 editors, 3,347 watchers, 30,651 pageviews (30 days), created by: Grunt~commonswiki (128) · See full page statistics plus from wikidata Wikidata: Project:Village pump (Q16503), central place for discussions about a wiki; page (usually with subpages) used to discuss technical issues, policies, and operations of a Wikimedia wiki Aliases: Travellers' pub, Simple talk, Travelers' pub, Wikipedia:Village pump, Wikiversity:Colloquium, Wikisource:Scriptorium, Wikiquote:Village pump, Wikibooks:Reading room, Wikinews:Water cooler, Wiktionary:Beer parlour, Wikidata:Project chat, Commons:Village pump, Project:Current issues, Meta:Babel, Wikispecies:Village Pump. Though all of that takes time to generate and comes after I load the page. These scripts I load that load that data I have run on every WMF page I view, or I can set them per wiki. Most others wouldn't give a toss about that information, and I only look at it some of the time. We all fall somewhere on spectrum. — billinghurstsDrewth04:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
GLAMs would probably appreciate stats for files they upload. As there's really no way of them knowing what impact their uploads have or where to put their focus. I have the same issue myself BTW. I much rather spend my time uploading images from a particular area that people are actually going to view and use, versus just wasting my time throwing darts at a board in the hopes someone somewhere is getting something out of my contributions. And yes, you can kind of do that with the "Page views for this category" template, but it's not really granular enough to be super helpful. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello @Billinghurst, Thank you for the information about load time; I hadn't considered that aspect. When hosting outreach activities in our country, we found that the primary concern among photographers was the lack of analytics on Commons. They were keen to understand the impact of their images, particularly in terms of views received. During our sessions, we realized that it would be very helpful to display the number of views an image has received at the top of the file. If this slows down the page load, we could consider adding a button labeled "Page Analytics" at the top. This button would only load the analytics if clicked. Unlike page view statistics, which users must manually enable, these Page Analytics could be viewed by anyone. We believe that this feature could have a significant impact on new contributors in countries like India, where there's a large number of photographers but less quality content on Commons. -- iMahesh(talk)09:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
@Adamant1 and IM3847: There are links to individual statistics for every page to look at views, etc. from each page's history. If there are suggested links to be added via those pages then we can look at those. We also have xtools through WMF cloud which does analysis on page level. For overarching statistics, that has predominantly been something coordinated by/thru WMF as they have access to the big number crunching. It is usually something holistic for WMF, rather than at the miniutiae. I would suggest looking at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org and https://stats.wikimedia.org and https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ for some of the opportunities to look/play with data. Your people have the full opportunity to do their own analyses. — billinghurstsDrewth02:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
@Adamant1 @Billinghurst There is specifically for GLAMs the BaGlama2 tool. It shows for a category - for example "Images from the Hogwarts historic wizardry archive" - how often each image was viewed in which articles on the different WM projects for every month. Only: the tool stopped working more than a year ago. I brought this up in german wikipedia "Reparatursommmer" and @Magnus Manske claimed the project to repair. He made some changes and now the tool is displaying info again but all new data is "zero". So there is a tool aimed at GLAMs to show them how their content is actually used - but is does not work for over a year now. Oh well, maybe i can bingewatch some old films at wikiflix instead - that seems to actually work. C.Suthorn (@Life_is@no-pony.farm - p7.ee/p) (talk) 13:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Yes @Billinghurst: We have tools for project views, but they didn't cover the views of images as good as this GLAMorgan. Having a tool that displays this data for an individual page directly at the top of the page would be preferable, similar to Xtools. Since Xtools adds load to the code running the page, this Image View Analytics could be implemented as a button. It would only activate if users click on it, ensuring that it doesn't impact page load unnecessarily (or) Xtools on Commons can display the number of views image got on Wikipedias and other sister projects. As of now it only shows views directly through Commons. This will also provide the user with his impact on Commons. Any thoughts on this? @C.Suthorn: & @Adamant1: --iMahesh(talk)02:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
@IM3847: If added to Xtools, please make it optional and off by default, as I fear a large performance hit if we use it on everything in filespace and categoryspace. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 02:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
There's no reason it couldn't be a user setting that has to be enabled and/or just display the stats in the list of their uploader. I don't think it needs to be displayed on every page or in every category though. Especially if people can't toggle it off if they want to. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
@Adamant1: I agree! Adding a toggle for upload statistics would give users more control over their experience on the platform. Placing it either on the file page or the user uploads page sounds like a great idea to ensure easy access without cluttering other areas of the interface. --iMahesh(talk)12:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
We already do indirectly. There is an "page information" link on file description pages. It leads you to a page that has a link to "Mediaviews Analysis" at the bottom. Enhancing999 (talk) 09:46, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Disambiguating two creators with the same name and profession
@From Hill To Shore: I recommend years of life. Too many father-son combinations and common names to try and use occupation. Lots of them from the Wikisources have been done that way. They are typically not front facing, and are aligned with categories so that is sufficient to identify them. — billinghurstsDrewth01:03, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Presumably the two workarounds are overt cat sorting and numbering like "001", "002", … "009", "010", etc. Both of these would still be fine if we turn on numerical sorting. @Enhancing999: are you aware of something that would break? - Jmabel ! talk14:41, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
@Enhancing999 My understanding is that Commons has never made widespread use of dewiki-style sortkey hacks. Dewiki uses a number of :s in front of the number, such as #:::100 Coco and #:9 Tage wach to get 100 Coco to sort after 9 Tage wach. Commons typically has used leading zeroes for this, and leading zeroes don't need to be changed because they do not affect the sort order in numeric sort. It looks like there are some categories on Commons using dewiki-style sortkeys, but I don't expect it to be common. AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 20:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
A lot of "Old maps of..."-categories include sortkeys by year (like "Category:19th-century maps of Silesia|1876"), but that's not something that will break if numerical sorting gets enabled. Another method of sort-key-ing that is often employed (not just by me) is to place a space before the key (like "Category:Book name| ") so that the file with a title page is displayed as the first one in a category of page scans. Some other people use ".", "+" or "*" for much the same effect. These sort-keys should be respected by the new setting, too. --Enyavar (talk) 20:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
One thing to note is that this will change the format of the sortkey returned by mw:API:Categorymembers and the cl_sortkey field of the mw:Manual:categorylinks table. That will be a problem if any software is making (unwarranted) assumptions about the format of those rather than using the corresponding sortkeyprefix. Another possible downside is that items whose sort keys begin with digits will appear under a single 0–9 heading rather than under separate headings for each leading digit. I don't think either of those is a big enough problem not to make the change. --bjh21 (talk) 21:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Support I would love this. Would this apply to filenames as well? I've been adding DEFAULTSORTs to them this entire time, which is not ideal. ReneeWrites ([[User talk:|talk]]) 12:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
I don't think we need to propagate a bunch of formal rules, but obviously if you can avoid spoilers, avoid them. - Jmabel ! talk08:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
This may need some discussion as it involves removal of the template from hundreds of tagged files once it is converted to becoming a category-exclusive template. A suggested replacement may be {{De minimis}} but it is too general and also includes uses in images that may incidentally or trivially show album covers, book covers et cetera. JWilz12345(Talk|Contrib's.)04:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
This is a pretty big change. You should probably should post a note on the talk page for {{NoFoP-Russia}} pointing to this discussion. In principle I think your proposal is fine. If you switch it to category use only, the template should definitely be modified to show a red usage error note in file namespace, as it will probably take some time before users familiar with the current template behavior adapt to your change. In addition, if you want to do this you should commit to going through the existing uses of the template in file namespace and either: (1) nominating for deletion cases depictions of copyrighted artwork and sculptures that are not de minimis, (2) replacing {{NoFoP-Russia}} with {{De minimis}} where the depictions of copyrighted artwork and sculptures are de minimis, or (3) removing {{NoFoP-Russia}} where any depiction of copyrighted works is entirely trivial. —RP88 (talk) 18:10, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
For a few weeks I've noticed a bombing of pretty crappy tag-depicts on hundreds of files in my watchlist. [2], [3]. How does this benefit the project? ¿Hay alguien a los mandos? Is this "campaign" completely machine-guided? Is structured data intended for generic tags? Strakhov (talk) 14:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
they go by different design. isa is more like a tool for tagging depicts for related files consecutively. its depicts interface looks just like the one on commons pages, so it depends on the user to find the suitable item.
Hi, From which country is this picture? Categories seem contradictory: Albanians in Croatia taken by a Czech photographer. Yann (talk) 20:27, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
With the current details it will be difficult to say. Modern day Czech Republic and Croatia were part of Austria-Hungary in 1900. Modern day Albania was in the Ottoman Empire at the time. Ethnic groups with no national boundaries were likely spread around the region. It could be an ethnic Albanian family that was living in Austria-Hungary or a photographer from Austria Hungary may have been travelling in Ottoman lands. A Google translation of the source page isn't much help; it says the photographer travelled a lot and took pictures in multiple countries around Europe until he married and settled down in 1898. From Hill To Shore (talk) 21:06, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
My comment was from the perspective of what is visible in the image and stated in the source. Beyond the file name chosen by the uploader, there is nothing to say that these are Albanians in a specific location. The uploader may have had access to additional source information to choose that name. On the other hand, there is nothing to support Yann's suspicions of a contradiction. It is entirely plausible for the three factors of an ethnic Albanian family living in the vicinity of modern Croatia and being photographed by an ethnic Czech photographer (who the source says was known to travel around the region) to have occurred. From Hill To Shore (talk) 12:36, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
@Jedudedek: at first? (Probably the image was taken by the Czech photographer, there is an Albanian mother and it was taken in a vicinity of a place called Rjeka. – I doesn't have to be Rijeka, Rjeka means "river" in Southern Slavic languages, so it can mean many places.) — Draceanetalkcontrib.21:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Guidelines for who can create templates and under what circumstances
Hi. I was wondering, are there any kind of guideline or guidance on who can templates and under circumstances they can be created for? I ask because there's an editor with only 60 edits who created a template recently for a fairly niche subject area. Which seems like an extremely low amounts of edits to be creating templates at this point. Especially considering the oddly specific thing they are creating it for. Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 00:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
There is no hard and fast rule, and there shouldn't be. A template expert from Wikipedia could easily and appropriately have the creation of a template be their first edit on Commons.
@Jmabel: Yeah well, I was trying to keep it as a general question since I already have a couple of other rather personal discussions going on. That said, it's Template:Four stamps block (type 1). I asked the user who created it what the purpose of it is but they haven't replied. I can't image a template being necessary or useful for something that niche though. Mostly it just seems like a way for the user to push their own personal, preferred way of doing things on everyone else since it appears to be very German specific, but can still be used on other images of "Four stamps block (type 1)"s. Whatever those are. One of the issues I have with the template is that there are no hard and fast standards for stamp classifications and they can be different depending on the country or culture. So having a template for "Four stamps block (type 1)"s seems kind of pointless to begin with whatever the user's motivation for creating it was. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
@Jeff G.: my remark was entirely addressed to the general question, not the specific case. If there is a problem with a particular template, that is a completely different matter than whether you should need a particular number of edits to make a template. - Jmabel ! talk17:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
I have checked back through the archives and the only topic of yours that was flagged for archiving manually (by me in that instance) was where you had posted duplicate messages. The duplicate was prioritised for archiving while the other would remain open. However, all topics get archived automatically if there are no new comments for a period of time. So, most of your topics were archived automatically because the conversations ended. From Hill To Shore (talk)`
@OperationSakura6144: I've been traveling for 5 weeks, so I'm only just getting back ere but it looks to me like you've singlehandedly decided there is a problem and that you have the solution, and repeatedly hectored people to get on it immediately, without any step of building any consensus beyond yourself that it is even important. It does not surprise me that no one is jumping to drop what they are doing to help you. - Jmabel ! talk20:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
I have tried COM:DL, but it didn't help me because it states: "No replacement of images in other formats with SVGs. To avoid World War III, CommonsDelinker will ignore a command to replace an image if the new image is in an SVG format and the original is not." which is absurd. Why would WWIII happen just because by replacing images of old format with vector images?! OperationSakura6144 (talk) 01:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Let me explain. I couldn't edit the English Wikipedia because my IP address got blocked there, because they thought me as a proxy/VPN user. I've made appeals to unblock but all failed, because the people in the English Wikipedia still think me as a proxy/VPN user. Now, I'm expecting you to do this thing for me. Do it if you can or ignore it. OperationSakura6144 (talk) 01:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Making CC BY-SA 3.x/GFDL files available under CC BY-SA 4.0
Apropos of this discussion I ask myself what I can do to make it easier to (re)use my files and photographs correctly. Some of them are still licensed under GFDL + CC BY-SA-3.0 just because this combination was the suggested default licensing when I uploaded these files. I would like to allow people to use all/most of these files under CC BY-SA 4.0, too. What is the correct way to achieve this? I do not want to remove/replace the old licenses (a) because I guess that would be problematic from a legal point of view and (b) because this would confuse people who already use one of these files under such a license. Can I just add CC BY-SA 4.0 as an additional option, preferrably by using {{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-3.0|cc-by-sa-4.0|migration=redundant}}? Or is there a legal or technical problem when I add that additional license now? Thank you very much for your input! – Aristeas (talk) 15:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
If you are the owner of the copyright to a file you are free to add additional license choices, if you so choose. Your suggested wiki markup is fine. You're probably aware, but for clarity, the reverse is not true. The Creative Commons licenses are irrevocable, you can't, for example, tell a user who previously obtained your file under the terms of CC BY-SA-3.0 that if they want to continue using it they must use it under the terms of CC BY-SA 4.0. —RP88 (talk) 16:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
That’s great. Thank you very much for your input, RP88! Yes, I am aware that CC licenses are irrevocable (this is what my loose wording “would be problematic from a legal point of view” wanted to say). – I posted the question here because it was stimulated by the aforementioned VP discussion and I thought that it would be of interest also for other contributors who still have GFDL + CC BY-SA-3.0 or even CC BY-SA-2.x files; sorry if my wording was too vague and personal. Best, – Aristeas (talk) 19:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
@Aristeas: I use the following: I agree to [[w:Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages (which are licensed under the [[w:GNU Free Documentation License|GFDL]] 1.2 only), as described below along with all future CC-BY-SA licenses:
:::{{self|GFDL|Cc-by-sa-4.0,3.0,2.5,2.0,1.0|migration=redundant}} — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 23:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
@Jeff G.: That’s another excellent solution, thank you very much! So people can choose which solution fits them better.
BTW, I have learned that it is even possible to write {{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-all}}. This is useful if somebody wants to publish a file explicitly under any CC BY-SA license. Personally I feel a bit uncomfortable about this because it seems a bit odd to me to allow the use even of not-yet-existing licenses; therefore I would prefer Jeff’s code which explicitly mentions the versions of the license. But if one really wants any CC BY-SA license, cc-by-sa-all is the shortest and most general solution.
As a sidenote, Jeff’s code example shows that my lengthy {{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-3.0|cc-by-sa-4.0|migration=redundant}} can be abbreviated to {{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-4.0,3.0|migration=redundant}}. This also results in a more compact display: instead of creating a separate box for every version of CC BY-SA, the template geneates a single box which mentions all versions. Best, – Aristeas (talk) 09:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
These are two Eucharistic miracles for which there are numerous versions from the Middle Ages. In both cases, an individual steals a consecrated host to enhance their honey production/fishing. Each time, a miracle occurs: the bees build a church of wax around the host/the fish bring back the host to the priest. Identifying the saint depicted would provide further information. Ayack (talk) 22:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
We're having a discussion at the Technical Village Pump about a new tool for detecting logos. Our intention is for you to discuss if it could be of use for the community and then, if consensus is reached, to integrate the tool in UploadWizard, in a way that would be beneficial for moderation workflow. If you're interested in the topic, please have your say! Sannita (WMF) (talk) 10:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
COM:FOP in the Netherlands?
I was reading up on FOP in the Netherlands, which allows photos in "public spaces", and specifically excludes interiors of museums. Yet almost every Dutch museum has an interior subcategory that all taken together contain thousands of photographs. Am I missing something here? Shouldn't those pictures be deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.97.65.18 (talk) 20:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
If the objects are public domain and if the photographs of public domain 3D objects are freely licensed, I don't see an issue. Although sometimes things just fall through the cracks so if you find a particular object that isn't PD, feel free to start a DR of that file. Abzeronow (talk) 20:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
@Abzeronow@212.97.65.18: if the radical change in FoP proposal (as seen in the thread above) pushes through, then the Netherlands FoP is going to be disregarded (only U.S. FoP now), so this question on Dutch museums is pointless now. Some artworks in those museums may be P.D. in the Netherlands but must be deleted because they are still copyrighted in the U.S. (those post-1928), so again the IP user's concern may be of no use very soon. JWilz12345(Talk|Contrib's.)21:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
@JWilz12345: You seem to be arguing that because some people are having a discussion that shows no sign of reaching consensus, and hasn't even reached the level of a formal proposal, it is pointless to concern ourselves with current policy for a matter that would be unaffected by the outcome of that discussion. It would be unaffected because this matter has nothing to do with FoP (there is no indoor FoP in the Netherlands) and both under the current policy and the proposed policy, when FoP doesn't come into play we don't host artworks that are copyrighted in the U.S., regardless of their status in the country where they were photographed. And, yes, that is hard to follow—in fact, it adds up to nonsense—but I think it is an accurate paraphrase of what you said. If you think I'm wrong here, please be specific about how. - Jmabel ! talk02:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
@Jmabel just one expression of my apparent frustration on what is happening here, that the status quo that has kept the project's FoP policy relatively intact and favorable to more visitors (more visitors are from countries with FoP than those with no FoP) is going to be shattered into pieces in an instant, by the desire to comply legal obligations and the desire to use "shortcut" approach in hosting Burj Khalifa pictures and other images of buildings from no-FoP countries. In fact, the events here may force me to recalibrate my Philippine FoP advocacy, because even if it becomes introduced here (let's say around 2025 or 2026), Philippine FoP is going to be disregarded by Commons anyway. Even Philippine-language Wikipedias cannot benefit Philippine FoP (following the arguments of D. Benjamin Miller) because those are not hosted here, but in the United States. My apology if I made some comment on this thread out of apparent frustration. JWilz12345(Talk|Contrib's.)04:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
@JWilz12345: I'm (relatively) glad to hear that is mostly just frustration, but I really can't imagine why you think a position advocated by about three people (at least one of whom apparently can't distinguish between what is legal for Commons and for a commercial site), is assured of carrying the day, especially when it would represent a change from a policy that has stood for just shy of two decades. Please, when people come here with a question about current policy, don't confuse them with the fact that things might change. Things always might change, in any direction, but this was really more of a "help desk" type of question, and should have been handled accordingly. - Jmabel ! talk04:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
The WMF has (rather good) lawyers. If they believe major, longstanding Commons policy were illegal, we would long since have heard that from them. - Jmabel ! talk04:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
@Jmabel noted. But I would rather not post at Help Desk. I would rather let a major RfC page (standalone page just like the debate that eventually led to the creation of {{Not-free-US-FOP}}) be started and I would reiterate my stance there. WMF peeps may also chime in on that potential RfC. Not appropriate to post at Help desk at this moment since I am aware of "forum shopping" infraction. JWilz12345(Talk|Contrib's.)04:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
@JWilz12345: no, no, I was saying that 212.97.65.18's question was basically a help desk question, and we should not confuse people who ask for simple help with a bunch of meta-issues. - 04:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
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